Vs Top 6 and vs Bottom 12

[boonboon]

I wanted to have a look at how the draw has affected us and has affected other teams.

What was really interesting to me was how much the draw has hurt us this year.

Games vs top 6
Broncos - 9
Tigers - 8
Dogs - 7
Warriors, Sharks, Titans, Roosters,Souths,Panthers, Storm - 6
Raiders, Knights, Manly, Eels - 5
Dragons (Inc getting Manly early season when they were poor) - 4
Cowboys - 3

So while we are doing badly we have also had the 2nd hardest draw of the year given the disparity vs the top 6 teams this year.

We have won 1 of those 8 while 5 teams havent won a game against the top 6 - Dogs, Raiders, Warriors, Cowboys, Titans

A number of other teams have won just 1 game against the top 6 as well - Broncos, Sharks, Knights, Manly and Roosters

Against the bottom 12 teams we actually have a comparable record and better then a few teams - Dogs, Broncos, Raiders, Knights, Dragons. Cowboys all have a worse F/A against the bottom 12 teams then we do. We have won 4 games out of our 8 against the bottom 12 teams with a positive F/A of +12 against these teams.

That is 6 teams that have a worse record then us against the bottom 12 and really it is our draw and who we have played that see's us in the bottom 3.

The positive I take out of this is that we have only 2 games out of our last games against the top 6 out of 8 plus a bye for a total of 10 agains the top 6

Cowboys on the other hand have 5 games (still meaning they play only 8 vs our 10)

Dragons also have 5 (total 10 inc a soft Manly win in wk 3), Sharks have 2 (for a total of 8) , Knights 2 (total of only 7), Raiders 5( total 10)

So while we have possibly the hardest draw outside the Broncos (11 v top 6) we do have a real opportunity to improve our position and it is likely our results improve just because we have been through our hardest part of our draw already while Dragons, Cowboys, Raiders have thier hard period coming up while Knights and Sharks just have a softer draw then we do (a 2-4 point better draw).

Anyway just wanted to share what I found and be interested in your thoughts if we had a soft draw like the Cowboys for example and had 14 points and coming out of the bye on 16 points would you be happier with our form when in reality it wasnt any different just against different teams

 

[TSupps05]

I always feel we get dudded by the draw every year

 

[hobbo1]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

 

[Tiger5150]

I wanted to have a look at how the draw has affected us and has affected other teams.

What was really interesting to me was how much the draw has hurt us this year.

Games vs top 6
Broncos - 9
Tigers - 8
Dogs - 7
Warriors, Sharks, Titans, Roosters,Souths,Panthers, Storm - 6
Raiders, Knights, Manly, Eels - 5
Dragons (Inc getting Manly early season when they were poor) - 4
Cowboys - 3

So while we are doing badly we have also had the 2nd hardest draw of the year given the disparity vs the top 6 teams this year.

We have won 1 of those 8 while 5 teams havent won a game against the top 6 - Dogs, Raiders, Warriors, Cowboys, Titans

A number of other teams have won just 1 game against the top 6 as well - Broncos, Sharks, Knights, Manly and Roosters

Against the bottom 12 teams we actually have a comparable record and better then a few teams - Dogs, Broncos, Raiders, Knights, Dragons. Cowboys all have a worse F/A against the bottom 12 teams then we do. We have won 4 games out of our 8 against the bottom 12 teams with a positive F/A of +12 against these teams.

That is 6 teams that have a worse record then us against the bottom 12 and really it is our draw and who we have played that see's us in the bottom 3.

The positive I take out of this is that we have only 2 games out of our last games against the top 6 out of 8 plus a bye for a total of 10 agains the top 6

Cowboys on the other hand have 5 games (still meaning they play only 8 vs our 10)

Dragons also have 5 (total 10 inc a soft Manly win in wk 3), Sharks have 2 (for a total of 8) , Knights 2 (total of only 7), Raiders 5( total 10)

So while we have possibly the hardest draw outside the Broncos (11 v top 6) we do have a real opportunity to improve our position and it is likely our results improve just because we have been through our hardest part of our draw already while Dragons, Cowboys, Raiders have thier hard period coming up while Knights and Sharks just have a softer draw then we do (a 2-4 point better draw).

Anyway just wanted to share what I found and be interested in your thoughts if we had a soft draw like the Cowboys for example and had 14 points and coming out of the bye on 16 points would you be happier with our form when in reality it wasnt any different just against different teams

I agree with you and think the draw has belted us more than usual this year, but all that will mean nothing if we lose more than 2 (maybe 3) from here on.

If we lose to the likes of Brisbane and dogs we cant [This word has been automatically removed] about the draw.

 

[Geo]

Just get better at Rugby League..

 

[jirskyr]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

The draw isn't rigged, it's cut up based on position the previous season.

If the results end up shaping a Top 6 that includes more of your 2-time opponents, that's just luck of results.

 

[happy_tiger]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

Could we have got Penrith at any better time ...seriously lol

 

[hobbo1]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

Could we have got Penrith at any better time ...seriously lol

Wow one game ?

Look at there 1st 2 rounds compared to ours ..

 

[tig_prmz]

I think the only game we have started as favourites is the Cowboys game. That alone says a lot about us.

I started a thread last year that we might be favourites for the spoon. We aren't there yet but are pretty close.

We have won all our games against Dragons and Knights (two of their worst performances without key players) and a Panthers side without Origin players. We have had one other good performance against Rabbits . The fact that we can count our good games on one hand is disappointing.

Let's see how we go against Broncos and Bulldogs coz that's the only other games we will be winning this year.

 

[happy_tiger]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

Could we have got Penrith at any better time ...seriously lol

Wow one game ?

Look at there 1st 2 rounds compared to ours ..

More reason to do everything in our powers to finish 8th or better .....#noexcuses

 

[hobbo1]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

Could we have got Penrith at any better time ...seriously lol

Wow one game ?

Look at there 1st 2 rounds compared to ours ..

More reason to do everything in our powers to finish 8th or better .....#noexcuses

Unfortunately mate they don’t listen to our forums collective brain ?

 

[Needaname]

I wanted to have a look at how the draw has affected us and has affected other teams.

What was really interesting to me was how much the draw has hurt us this year.

Games vs top 6
Broncos - 9
Tigers - 8
Dogs - 7
Warriors, Sharks, Titans, Roosters,Souths,Panthers, Storm - 6
Raiders, Knights, Manly, Eels - 5
Dragons (Inc getting Manly early season when they were poor) - 4
Cowboys - 3

So while we are doing badly we have also had the 2nd hardest draw of the year given the disparity vs the top 6 teams this year.

We have won 1 of those 8 while 5 teams havent won a game against the top 6 - Dogs, Raiders, Warriors, Cowboys, Titans

A number of other teams have won just 1 game against the top 6 as well - Broncos, Sharks, Knights, Manly and Roosters

Against the bottom 12 teams we actually have a comparable record and better then a few teams - Dogs, Broncos, Raiders, Knights, Dragons. Cowboys all have a worse F/A against the bottom 12 teams then we do. We have won 4 games out of our 8 against the bottom 12 teams with a positive F/A of +12 against these teams.

That is 6 teams that have a worse record then us against the bottom 12 and really it is our draw and who we have played that see's us in the bottom 3.

The positive I take out of this is that we have only 2 games out of our last games against the top 6 out of 8 plus a bye for a total of 10 agains the top 6

Cowboys on the other hand have 5 games (still meaning they play only 8 vs our 10)

Dragons also have 5 (total 10 inc a soft Manly win in wk 3), Sharks have 2 (for a total of 8) , Knights 2 (total of only 7), Raiders 5( total 10)

So while we have possibly the hardest draw outside the Broncos (11 v top 6) we do have a real opportunity to improve our position and it is likely our results improve just because we have been through our hardest part of our draw already while Dragons, Cowboys, Raiders have thier hard period coming up while Knights and Sharks just have a softer draw then we do (a 2-4 point better draw).

Anyway just wanted to share what I found and be interested in your thoughts if we had a soft draw like the Cowboys for example and had 14 points and coming out of the bye on 16 points would you be happier with our form when in reality it wasnt any different just against different teams

So your telling me should expect to see the same 8 again with the only difference being Manly replaces Canberra?

 

[happy_tiger]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

Could we have got Penrith at any better time ...seriously lol

Wow one game ?

Look at there 1st 2 rounds compared to ours ..

More reason to do everything in our powers to finish 8th or better .....#noexcuses

Unfortunately mate they don’t listen to our forums collective brain ?

Surely @cochise passes on every post I make onto Pascoe and Co ...well apart from the Rangas posts ....oh and the fact he is mates with @Tiger_Steve ......and his dislike of magpies .....

 

[Tigerboy]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

The draw isn't rigged, it's cut up based on position the previous season.

If the results end up shaping a Top 6 that includes more of your 2-time opponents, that's just luck of results.

He’s saying it was difficult for us

Not an observation on who makes 8 - the draw is most definitely skewed against us this year - just shows we’re not rock bottom and should hopefully only improve from here

 

[happy_tiger]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

The draw isn't rigged, it's cut up based on position the previous season.

If the results end up shaping a Top 6 that includes more of your 2-time opponents, that's just luck of results.


He’s saying it was difficult for us

Not an observation on who makes 8 - the draw is most definitely skewed against us this year - just shows we’re not rock bottom and should hopefully only improve here on out

You would have thought finishing 9th must get an amazing draw .....7 byes ...Bribane and Dogs twice .....Penrith twice during SOO ...Melbourne in the last rd when their entire roster gets the week off aftre finishing 8 pts clear as minor premiers .....

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

The draw isn't rigged, it's cut up based on position the previous season.

If the results end up shaping a Top 6 that includes more of your 2-time opponents, that's just luck of results.

It’s not done that way anymore. Teams now nominate who they would like to play twice

 

[cochise]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

Could we have got Penrith at any better time ...seriously lol

Wow one game ?

Look at there 1st 2 rounds compared to ours ..

More reason to do everything in our powers to finish 8th or better .....#noexcuses

Unfortunately mate they don’t listen to our forums collective brain ?

Surely @cochise passes on every post I make onto Pascoe and Co ...well apart from the Rangas posts ....oh and the fact he is mates with @Tiger_Steve ......and his dislike of magpies .....

Even the Ranga posts get passed on.

 

[Tigerboy]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

The draw isn't rigged, it's cut up based on position the previous season.

If the results end up shaping a Top 6 that includes more of your 2-time opponents, that's just luck of results.


He’s saying it was difficult for us

Not an observation on who makes 8 - the draw is most definitely skewed against us this year - just shows we’re not rock bottom and should hopefully only improve here on out

You would have thought finishing 9th must get an amazing draw .....7 byes ...Bribane and Dogs twice .....Penrith twice during SOO ...Melbourne in the last rd when their entire roster gets the week off aftre finishing 8 pts clear as minor premiers .....

Exactly, Haps, I don’t wanna say rigged

Does it seem like we’re ever lucky / can you even call it bad luck??? The draw is clearly deliberately ‘managed’

@hobbo1 on the money

 

[happy_tiger]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

Could we have got Penrith at any better time ...seriously lol

Wow one game ?

Look at there 1st 2 rounds compared to ours ..

More reason to do everything in our powers to finish 8th or better .....#noexcuses

Unfortunately mate they don’t listen to our forums collective brain ?

Surely @cochise passes on every post I make onto Pascoe and Co ...well apart from the Rangas posts ....oh and the fact he is mates with @Tiger_Steve ......and his dislike of magpies .....

Even the Ranga posts get passed on.

Surely not the @Tiger_Steve posts though ....that would be near insanity .....and the Magpies ......

 

[jirskyr]

Draw is a farce ..

Pamfers we’re minor premiers and have a look at there opening rounds compared to ours .

The draw isn't rigged, it's cut up based on position the previous season.

If the results end up shaping a Top 6 that includes more of your 2-time opponents, that's just luck of results.

It’s not done that way anymore. Teams now nominate who they would like to play twice

OK right.

But even now when clubs put their requests in, it's still just part of the divvy-up that NRL does to try and fit in as many requests as possible, right?