Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Juice]

I don't think the dogs are going to be in a position to be doling out too many more big contracts for a while.

They still need a halfback and have Fox, Burton, Kikau, Crichton, Mahoney all on decent money, with upgrades on the likes of Preston and Kiraz in recent times, alongside likely mid-tier contracts of players like Curran, Mann, Oloapu, Salmon, Taaffe and Tracey.

I doubt they'll have another 750-900k for a prop.

But I may be wrong.

No one is going to sign Mooney on anything over $400k & it’s more likely to be even lower

 

[Kelce68]

I don't think Trey Mooney will get 800k a season!

I just realised @jrtiger 's post was re: Mooney.

For whatever reason I thought we were still talking about Stefano.

I need a lie down.

This addresses your response @Juice as well.

 

[weststigers]

A mutual option can be activated by either the club or the player. Does not have to be both, Klemmer could activate his option for 4th year and the club would be powerless to stop him.

I don't think that's quite right Frodo. Otherwise you would call it a player option or club option. A mutual option would indicate bot parties need to agree.

From the NRL website:

2024 NRL Signings Tracker: Fisher-Harris to join Warriors

Kiwis captain James Fisher-Harris will leave the Panthers to return home to New Zealand after signing a four-year deal with the Warriors from 2025.

www.nrl.com

Player option (PO): Player has the option to activate additional year(s)
Club option (CO): Club has the option to activate additional year(s)
Mutual option (MO): Both parties discuss the option to activate additional year(s)

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Schiller has strong family ties in the Hunter region. It was only every a choice between staying put or going to the Knights.

With Schiller going to Newcastle apparently to play centre, I would love us to make a play for Dane Gagai on a 2 year deal. Gagai & Olam as our centres mentoring Makasini, Luke Laulilii, Saukuru, Feledy as our next gen coming through. Yes he's getting on but he plays more like a 30yo than a 33yo. Though Roosters are keen so he'd probably go for the sambrero.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

He’s not far off, and coming home with a wet sail. He’s faster than those 2.

I think we value our own more, you're probably looking through rose coloured glasses.
He is still young for a prop and could be anything you're right, but at the moment he's not elite.

 

[boonboon]

I don't think that's quite right Frodo. Otherwise you would call it a player option or club option. A mutual option would indicate bot parties need to agree.

From the NRL website:

2024 NRL Signings Tracker: Fisher-Harris to join Warriors

Kiwis captain James Fisher-Harris will leave the Panthers to return home to New Zealand after signing a four-year deal with the Warriors from 2025.

www.nrl.com

Player option (PO): Player has the option to activate additional year(s)
Club option (CO): Club has the option to activate additional year(s)
Mutual option (MO): Both parties discuss the option to activate additional year(s)

Most mutual options allow either party to take it up but at different price points - for example if club takes it up they pay 200k, if player takes it up but club doesent then it's 150k

 

[Glenji95]

For the life of me, I don't understand how many times We see players like Zac Lomax do what he does, totally destroy us pretty much on his own.
Yet we new he was up for sale and we could not even make the effort to make him an offer.
And Parramatta get him for a supposed 4 years for $200,000 a year less than he was getting at St George,

Hence I give up.

We desperately need a game breaker like Zac,
But when one is up for grabs we don't even try.

So we must be out of money,
If we can't even try.

3 reasons why I think we didn’t try for him (if we didn’t)

1. The rumours of him going around now I don’t know if they are true or not but it could’ve been a factor.

2. His salary would’ve been a concern. If we paid him what Eels offered we’d be paying him more than Olam is currently getting. Would’ve taken a chunk out of the cap.

3. Personally believe this is why we didn’t, signing him would have resulted losing some of our juniors. He would’ve blocked their path and the club is focusing on development moving forward.

 

[twentyforty]

Stef’s contract clause is an interesting one? He signs on with a club heading for a spoon and has a get out clause pending the clubs success. My guess is someone tried too hard to get his signature 😂
and he called them out on it.

 

[Glenji95]

Now this is disappointing. We should have been offering him 400k to join us.

Some clubs just have the right idea with recruitment. Snap good players as quickly as they can. We've been lamenting our pathetic outside backs and yet whenever a decent one is available we're nowhere to be seen. We may have made him an offer and been rejected, but geez it's frustrating when we repeatedly sign small and slow players while other clubs sign the big strong fast types. And we wonder why we lose nearly all of our matches...

He was an absolutely perfect fit for us. And we still missed out. Newie have now snapped up Thomas Jenkins and Schiller, while we're messing around with Faatape and Lobb.

As good as Schiller is and would’ve loved to had him, signing him blocks other kids coming through the development system. Richo is keen on being a development club now so unless it was a position that we are sorely lacking through the juniors, or an older player to fill the void till the young ones are ready, I don’t see us making many external signings moving forward.

 

[Vicious]

3 reasons why I think we didn’t try for him (if we didn’t)

1. The rumours of him going around now I don’t know if they are true or not but it could’ve been a factor.

2. His salary would’ve been a concern. If we paid him what Eels offered we’d be paying him more than Olam is currently getting. Would’ve taken a chunk out of the cap.

3. Personally believe this is why we didn’t, signing him would have resulted losing some of our juniors. He would’ve blocked their path and the club is focusing on development moving forward.

It’s been reported the Eels got him for $650k per season, surely he would have been worth $700-$750k per season to us ?
By not having a red hot crack at him it’s basically saying we are happy with our right centre options of Naden and To’a. They can both good players when switched on, inconsistency is their problem.
We do not have any emerging genuine right centres as Faatape, Feledy, Saukuru and Makasini are all predominantly left centres. Sure one of them can hopefully move to the right and excel, but it’s not as as easy to change as some may think.
You could argue Zac Lomax could have been a better fullback option than Bula.

 

[upthetigers]

It’s been reported the Eels got him for $650k per season, surely he’s worth $700-$750 k per season to us ?
By not having a red hot crack at him it’s basically saying we are happy with our right centre options in Naden or To’a. They can both play very well when they are switched on, inconsistency is their problem.
We do not have any genuine right centres emerging as Faatape, Feledy, Saukuru and Makasini are all predominantly left centres.
You could argue Zac Lomax could have been a better fullback option than Bula.

Inconsistency has been a problem for Lomax too. He always plays well against us. Think he's a tad overrated.

 

[Glenji95]

It’s been reported the Eels got him for $650k per season, surely he’s worth $700-$750 k per season to us ?
By not having a red hot crack at him it’s basically saying we are happy with our right centre options in Naden or To’a. They can both play very well when they are switched on, inconsistency is their problem.
We do not have any genuine right centres emerging as Faatape, Feledy, Saukuru and Makasini are all predominantly left centres.
You could argue Zac Lomax could have been a better fullback option than Bula.

Don’t think many clubs would’ve given Lomax the fullback role full time unless they were desperate. And I don’t think it’ll be too hard for any of the young ones coming through to play on the other side as long as they have a good half and backrower next to them. But the main key here is development. Signing Lomax would have resulted in losing majority of these players. Obviously you can’t keep everyone but we definitely lose more with Lomax joining.

 

[Vicious]

Don’t think many clubs would’ve given Lomax the fullback role full time unless they were desperate. And I don’t think it’ll be too hard for any of the young ones coming through to play on the other side as long as they have a good half and backrower next to them. But the main key here is development. Signing Lomax would have resulted in losing majority of these players. Obviously you can’t keep everyone but we definitely lose more with Lomax joining.

If we had someone with similar attributes emerging I would understand, but we simply do not have anyone like him that is big, strong, fast, skilful, great under the high ball and a very good goal kicker.

 

[Glenji95]

If we had someone with similar attributes emerging I would understand, but we simply do not have anyone like him that is big, strong, fast, skilful, great under the high ball and a very good goal kicker.

Lomax for me is hit and miss, on his day he can be brilliant and I agree is a good goal kicker, but he doesn’t do that every week playing Centre. Him playing on the wing this year has been the best he’s looked in his career but obviously wants to play Centre, which is why he’s leaving for Eels as he will take Harper’s place. But like I said signing him would have resulted in the young ones leaving, which is IMO the main reason we didn’t get make an offer or at least go hard for him. Richo said himself and it’s in the strategic plan moving forward, “we are a development club”. I don’t think we will be making many external signings moving forward unless it’s an older player to fill the void until the young ones are ready like Oates and Gagai for example, or it’s a position we’re sorely lacking in.

 

[innsaneink]

Exactly. Again, makes absolutely no sense. Media spin rubbish in hope of some traction.

Kid is under contract, has expressed a desire to stay long term. How could Penrith even consider him?

Contract...whats that?

Ask JFH

 

[innsaneink]

Trey Mooney would be a huge get if it's true we are after him. He'd be an instant upgrade on Seyfarth on the bench & then would contend to replace Klemmer as a starter when his contract runs out.

Jeez, settle down, hes played 8 games

 

[batboy]

Most mutual options allow either party to take it up but at different price points - for example if club takes it up they pay 200k, if player takes it up but club doesent then it's 150k

You'll argue this until you're blue in the face round here Boon...
I got the same thing from a recruitment guy at another club - Twice.

It's easy to assume a Mutual Option is for both parties to agree, It's not
- It's either party can agree.
Both Parties agreeing is called a contract extension.

Even the NRL wording old mate referenced above....
Club option is black and white,
Player Option is Black and White
Mutual Option is 'Discussed by both parties' (Grey at best)...

I heard one of the Journos on 360 even reference it the other night,
"It's a mutual option, So it depends if one of the Parties take it up"

 

[Tucker]

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That side would make the 8.
Amazing club, very much like Melbourne were in terms of next man up being a star.

 

[weststigers]

Most mutual options allow either party to take it up but at different price points - for example if club takes it up they pay 200k, if player takes it up but club doesent then it's 150k

Mate that is the NRL website I've quoted. You'd better get onto them and tell them their definition of mutual option is wrong.

Where does your info come from out of interest? Can you point to a mutual option that was exercised like you describe?

 

[Macca0806]

They saw how happy $1.1m made Brooks….hes on a lot less and much happier st Manly…it would be naive of us to think .this is not lost on the WT players weighing up their future