Mighty_Tiger
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I’m one of the crew who often try and see positives and think hey something will improve, also don’t start threads much on this place but enough is enough. Have been on the side of not changing Madge and all will be ok but we are beyond rock bottom.
Our leadership team is an utter failure and we are going backwards.
We beat a Knights team with all their strike weapons missing, beat a Dragons team with a bunch of players out and beat a Panthers team with over half the team gone including the spine.
We haven’t beaten anyone at strength or even come close.
We had Tommy round and before game Madge said we are on. We weren’t.
Madge says alot on repeat but we are not seeing the improvements he is in charge of delivering.
We have the 2nd worst defensive record in the comp only Brisbane are worse.
Our coach every week for last 2yrs keeps saying defense, shoulders and who we want to be but it’s clear he has no idea on how to improve the current squad - we have gone backwards. We aren’t even in the match.
Second something goes wrong we leak points and fast. There is a total lack of leqdeeship, no adjustment to tactics, our defensive structures are wrong.
Tamou said post match players need to stop pointing at others and the younger guys did more speaking at halftime - he needs to take ownership & he as our leader should be barking orders.
Lets break down a few things more many of which a defensive coach should be accountable for:
1 - Lucy, he comes in as 3rd man midfield to tackle and when he is last man off the player teams have a 80% strike rate of going to our right and scoring next play. 80%. We have leaked 22 tries because of this. It took us to be down by 30pts for him to be pulled. He mis reads and lacks urgency in defence, his lateral movement doesn’t exists. He plays the ball not the man, he is flat footed and not actioning his mark up as well which is coaching issue.
2 - Talau, the kid has ability but he is making stupid and errors not in pressure situations. These are very costly to us. We have conceded 8 tries next set from a TT error. We stay compressed in our attacking play rather than switch to defensive structure. This is a big reason why we don’t hold on. The urgency to cover and get into position is lacking.
3 - Laurie - this kid is great with the ball but he just isn’t organising or reading plays. He isn’t barking orders. He is doing no controlling. He often over covers plays as well which in turn requires our other wingers to stay back and cover the remaining space. This then means we are up and down defensively and the opposition have a 1-2 man overlap if they offload & switch. It also shows he sees a problem but rather than use teamwork to cover he is doing rather than ordering. 11 tries have come from this.
4 - our defensive pattern & sitting back. OMG this is the easiest thing to adjust but we have never adjusted to it. This game is simple stop players from making meters and close down space. You don’t do that allowing players to get a wind up and run over the advantage line and then hit them. Reason being it creates space, faster play the balls, perception we don’t get the rub of the calls with refs and allows 2nd phase play. We sit back time and time again or we have a hero run up. No communication, no aggression pattern or structure occurs. Whoever is analyzing & advising on defense has to be punted the person has the wrong tatics.
5 - Re leadership Tamou should step down immediately.
He is meant to lead by example and its no surprise we are ineffective if everyone is following his example.
I mean come on - 3 games, yes only 3 games he has made 100+mtrs out of 15 thats 20% of games he is effective as a prop.
He hasn’t even come close in most games sometimes not even getting 50mtrs.
He is a friggen prop, captain and should be leading by example. He is deadset taking the crap out of us. He isn’t leading by making 3-4 hitups a game, he isn’t leading playing 40mins a game. He has been the biggest failure this year. When things go wrong he doesn’t bark orders or lead us. He isn’t showing the kids how they should get in and change things.
He is the worst captain we have ever had in a Wests Tigers jersey. His involvement is low and not effective with the ball and it is a contributor as to why we defend in bad positions.
At the end of the day Madge is our leader, if his support staff, captain, senior leadership group etc aren’t performing or responding he is accountable to change/rectify and do. He hasn’t responded well in 2yrs and here we are with the 2nd worst defensive record, conceding the worst avg points per game on record but hey its ok to have 66pts scored against you and say we learnt something and its not what we are about.
Actions speak louder than words - Madge as a leader isn’t actioning, his leadership team isn’t either.
Our leadership team is an utter failure and we are going backwards.
We beat a Knights team with all their strike weapons missing, beat a Dragons team with a bunch of players out and beat a Panthers team with over half the team gone including the spine.
We haven’t beaten anyone at strength or even come close.
We had Tommy round and before game Madge said we are on. We weren’t.
Madge says alot on repeat but we are not seeing the improvements he is in charge of delivering.
We have the 2nd worst defensive record in the comp only Brisbane are worse.
Our coach every week for last 2yrs keeps saying defense, shoulders and who we want to be but it’s clear he has no idea on how to improve the current squad - we have gone backwards. We aren’t even in the match.
Second something goes wrong we leak points and fast. There is a total lack of leqdeeship, no adjustment to tactics, our defensive structures are wrong.
Tamou said post match players need to stop pointing at others and the younger guys did more speaking at halftime - he needs to take ownership & he as our leader should be barking orders.
Lets break down a few things more many of which a defensive coach should be accountable for:
1 - Lucy, he comes in as 3rd man midfield to tackle and when he is last man off the player teams have a 80% strike rate of going to our right and scoring next play. 80%. We have leaked 22 tries because of this. It took us to be down by 30pts for him to be pulled. He mis reads and lacks urgency in defence, his lateral movement doesn’t exists. He plays the ball not the man, he is flat footed and not actioning his mark up as well which is coaching issue.
2 - Talau, the kid has ability but he is making stupid and errors not in pressure situations. These are very costly to us. We have conceded 8 tries next set from a TT error. We stay compressed in our attacking play rather than switch to defensive structure. This is a big reason why we don’t hold on. The urgency to cover and get into position is lacking.
3 - Laurie - this kid is great with the ball but he just isn’t organising or reading plays. He isn’t barking orders. He is doing no controlling. He often over covers plays as well which in turn requires our other wingers to stay back and cover the remaining space. This then means we are up and down defensively and the opposition have a 1-2 man overlap if they offload & switch. It also shows he sees a problem but rather than use teamwork to cover he is doing rather than ordering. 11 tries have come from this.
4 - our defensive pattern & sitting back. OMG this is the easiest thing to adjust but we have never adjusted to it. This game is simple stop players from making meters and close down space. You don’t do that allowing players to get a wind up and run over the advantage line and then hit them. Reason being it creates space, faster play the balls, perception we don’t get the rub of the calls with refs and allows 2nd phase play. We sit back time and time again or we have a hero run up. No communication, no aggression pattern or structure occurs. Whoever is analyzing & advising on defense has to be punted the person has the wrong tatics.
5 - Re leadership Tamou should step down immediately.
He is meant to lead by example and its no surprise we are ineffective if everyone is following his example.
I mean come on - 3 games, yes only 3 games he has made 100+mtrs out of 15 thats 20% of games he is effective as a prop.
He hasn’t even come close in most games sometimes not even getting 50mtrs.
He is a friggen prop, captain and should be leading by example. He is deadset taking the crap out of us. He isn’t leading by making 3-4 hitups a game, he isn’t leading playing 40mins a game. He has been the biggest failure this year. When things go wrong he doesn’t bark orders or lead us. He isn’t showing the kids how they should get in and change things.
He is the worst captain we have ever had in a Wests Tigers jersey. His involvement is low and not effective with the ball and it is a contributor as to why we defend in bad positions.
At the end of the day Madge is our leader, if his support staff, captain, senior leadership group etc aren’t performing or responding he is accountable to change/rectify and do. He hasn’t responded well in 2yrs and here we are with the 2nd worst defensive record, conceding the worst avg points per game on record but hey its ok to have 66pts scored against you and say we learnt something and its not what we are about.
Actions speak louder than words - Madge as a leader isn’t actioning, his leadership team isn’t either.
