AmericanHistoryX
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But the judge will be right????
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Really. I feel sorry for the court. Wearing a sheep's fur on your head is also a mental illness.If Topine truly has a psychiatric injury and will never play football again , I feel for the guy and he deserves some damages money.
If however he’s bunging it on, that’s totally disrespectful to people with actual mental illnesses and he’s a bleeping fraud.
Who are the snowflakes that you are referring to 05?100%. We don’t know the whole story.
What we do know is that rugby league / elite team sport culture will never be acceptable by snowflake standards.
???? I don’t think I’ve read something more hyperbolic , and intellectually dishonest ! Now I know you can’t possibly believe what you’re saying …. That’s sensationalist nonsense !Allegations will be tested in court - thankfully a civil Court and not the Coroner's Court this time...
Agreed ! That’s the real issue , not the training , and the nonsense being hyperbolised by others on here . The real issue is the damage to his mental state .There is a very big difference between punishment and humiliation. What the dogs did is very much in the latter.
It actually could have been a bonding opportunity if that douchebag trainer didn't tell the teammates to not rally around him after it.
I mean, why even do it? What outcome were they hoping for? Is this the best way to achieve it? NO! It's not only negligent, but it's a bloody dumb approach.
Our method was solid this year. Peroxide hair, probably coupled with extra training. Api still wears the reminder... and our 1 player who didn't meet the standards went through a smooth release.
Anasta is now going off about it being a can of worms. What happens if the kid kills himself? Same reply?
The main correlation is that in BOTH cases fellow players allegedly recognised the physical distress of their team-mate and raised it with the trainer who ignored their concerns and ordered then to continue...
The next time a player dies on a club's watch without heeding the findings and recommendations of the Coroner in this case will likely be referred to the DPP for charges in regards to providing a safe workplace!
This Inquest only concluded last month - so the Topine incident occurred before its findings - but after the Titmuss death...
Answers to your questions
1. Is OVER-TRAINING as corporal punishment conducive to elite athletic performance and development - NO!!! Any idiot can tell you that!
2. YES - he had been with the club and training at an elite level for years
The main correlation is that in BOTH cases fellow players allegedly recognised the physical distress of their team-mate and raised it with the trainer who ignored their concerns and ordered then to continue...
The next time a player dies on a club's watch without heeding the findings and recommendations of the Coroner in this case will likely be referred to the DPP for charges in regards to providing a safe workplace!
This Inquest only concluded last month - so the Topine incident occurred before its findings - but after the Titmuss death...
Answers to your questions
1. Is OVER-TRAINING as corporal punishment conducive to elite athletic performance and development - NO!!! Any idiot can tell you that!
2. YES - he had been with the club and training at an elite level for years
As I said - at least this will be left to a Civil court to decide rather than the Coroner.I never asked that question . You’re making stories up to suit your narrative . I asked was the training methods provided by a 3 time premiership winning trainer and a 2 time premiership winning assistant coach , the correct training to win premierships . And that’s absolute horseshit that you would have any idea whether or not it is . Unless you have the data and have done the studies off private data provided by elite nrl programs .
Once again 1 situation is he was wrestled into a stand still . And to have trained yourself soo hard under extreme conditions that you can’t move … many of us have been there and done that .
And the other which has no relevance what so ever outside an absolute drawing of the longest bow by you , is a lack of hydration and fluids , and a complete lack of duty of care re. The players .
I normally agree with you on most things , but you’re clearly too emotionally attached to this to see the Forrest through the trees.
For me , if a 3 time premiership winning trainer wanted me to crawl through a river of shit , and he thought that was how you gain an advantage and what forged a winning team culture , that’s exactly how I’d train.
Once again I’ll say it cause you’re clearly not reading what I’m actually saying , the REAL issue isn’t the training IMO , but the mental and physical load putting the player under .
And for you to say “he’s an nrl player , he knows what the correct training is “ , we literally had a winger quit on us this year because of the intensity of training , and the expectations put around standards .
So not all teams are training to these levels . It’s such a horseshit argument to make yourself seem right .
If he wasn’t expecting those standards , then there is malpractice in regards to the passage of information. If he was and the rewards for not meeting standards re. Being late to training , we’re clearly defined , I mean IMHO , then there’s a question to be asked about whether this is the job for him .
If it later comes out that these types of “rewards” and training methods are barbaric , and antiquated , not industry standard , then I’ll happily recant on everything I’ve said … but I honestly don’t think they arnt . Which means you are projecting your own morality on something that just isn’t applicable .
It is a civil case because it is not a criminal matter!As a civil case the standard of proof required is lower - his team needs to prove that on the balance of probabilities his version of events and the resultant after effects he claims to have experienced is more likely true than not - not 'beyond reasonable doubt' as per a criminal hearing.
I'd be surprised if the club didn't settle.
Believe he's referring to the Titmuss Coronial Inquest which is very recent, and also relates to an incident that occurred training with an NRL club.???? I don’t think I’ve read something more hyperbolic , and intellectually dishonest ! Now I know you can’t possibly believe what you’re saying …. That’s sensationalist nonsense !
His life was at no point put in any danger .
Mis mental state and emotional well being ? Completely different answer . And the bulldogs have a lot to answer for as others have said for the way they handled that part of it .
But the stuff you’re going on about …. Is Fairy land stuff
READ!!!!???? I don’t think I’ve read something more hyperbolic , and intellectually dishonest ! Now I know you can’t possibly believe what you’re saying …. That’s sensationalist nonsense !
His life was at no point put in any danger .
Mis mental state and emotional well being ? Completely different answer . And the bulldogs have a lot to answer for as others have said for the way they handled that part of it .
But the stuff you’re going on about …. Is Fairy land stuff
I hope he gets every penny of the 4 million$$$ Spartan.4 million dollars,
Is he kidding!
What happened to MF Snidest?
You seriously don't know?What happened to MF Snidest?
Oh dear how sad, and yes, I had forgotten.You seriously don't know?
Suffered a serious injury in 2013... I think season ending.. Possible torn pec iirc.
Long story short he took his own life not being able to deal with his news.
Pressure on him to provide for family back home in Tonga was a factor apparently
Such a sad and terrible waste of a beautiful young life
RIP Mosese Fotuaika
Couldn't disagree more.I hope he gets every penny of the 4 million$$$ Spartan.
If his psyche has been damaged to such an extent that his footy career and something he loved doing, has been taken from him by some boof head, he's being compensated for the $$$ he would possibly have earned if he was able to continue playing.