Alcohol

Kelce68 said:
Mate, just be mindful that we need to be accurate on when describing these compounds.


Nicotine can actually be quite a beneficial nootropic. Among on things, it acts on the acetylcholine receptors in the brain, which promotes the production, and limits the reuptake of acetylcholine, one of the main drivers of improved cognitive performance. It's used in its pure form by scholars, poets, athletes, heads of state, etc, to temporarily boost brain performance. It has a different action, but similar outcome (in some ways) to something like alpha GPC, which is an a-ch precursor in the brain.
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Yep, and you wanna deliver that into your body by smoking cigarettes?
The arsenic in cigs is there bcoz of the insecticide used when farming baccy.
Or are these users (scholars, poets, etc) of nicotine delivering it in a different/healthier way?
 
Kaito said:
Decriminalised too in a lot of states - you get a ticket
rather than going to court below a certain amount.
We'd be better off taxing it in my personal opinion.
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They'll legalise it soon enough. Amazing how far behind the US of all places we are for stuff like this.

(I can't stand the stuff BTW, terrible reaction for me/my mind.)
 
upthetigers said:
upthetigers said:
Alcohol is socially acceptable. If it was invented today it would be a controlled substance without question, there are more alcohol related deaths then illicit substances combined.
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What annoys me about alcohol being socially acceptable is, it seems you can't attend any social gathering whether it be a footy/cricket match or a long-haul plane/train trip without people having to get into the booze.
Once we've been without booze for a while [as I have], you find you just don't 'need' it.
We can survive socially without it.
If you feel you need a drink to be at a certain function, you're probably going to the wrong functions.
I went to a pub with a group of responsible friends recently and I was the only one who didn't drink booze.
There was no pressure from the others for me to get into the booze, but it was an eye opener observing how a person's personality changes after a few drinks.
 
BZN said:
What annoys me about alcohol being socially acceptable is, it seems you can't attend any social gathering whether it be a footy/cricket match or a long-haul plane/train trip without people having to get into the booze.
Once we've been without booze for a while [as I have], you find you just don't 'need' it.
We can survive socially without it.
If you feel you need a drink to be at a certain function, you're probably going to the wrong functions.
I went to a pub with a group of responsible friends recently and I was the only one who didn't drink booze.
There was no pressure from the others for me to get into the booze, but it was an eye opener observing how a person's personality changes after a few drinks.
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I wish I could say the same mate. I had crippling social anxiety growing up, drinking was one of the few things that made me feel normal. Thankfully I don't feel dependent on it anymore. But yeah, drinking is so ingrained in our culture. I remember speaking to a cop one NYE when I was a young lad, I distinctly remember him telling me he'd rather party goers be on MDMA then alcohol.
 
Kelce68 said:
the problem with 1 or 2 drinks is some people are wired differently and cannot stop at a few.

I understand I'm in the minority here, but I think this very excuse is the reason people are never held to account on such things.

'Cannot stop at a few' doesn't mean they biologically don't have the capacity to.

That's not to say it is not infinitely more difficult for addicts to show self control, but everytime people espouse the notion that they 'literally can't', it papers over the lack of self control deficiencies within these people.

Everything is a choice. Some choices are just far harder than others.
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Wow!!! you've added some really good and sensible posts on here Kelce68 (y)(y)(y)
 
Kelce68 said:
the problem with 1 or 2 drinks is some people are wired differently and cannot stop at a few.

I understand I'm in the minority here, but I think this very excuse is the reason people are never held to account on such things.

'Cannot stop at a few' doesn't mean they biologically don't have the capacity to.

That's not to say it is not infinitely more difficult for addicts to show self control, but everytime people espouse the notion that they 'literally can't', it papers over the lack of self control deficiencies within these people.

Everything is a choice. Some choices are just far harder than others.
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Agree to a certain degree. Difficult to tell a down
trodden man or woman who have suffered substance
abuse 4 most of their lives to just make better choices.
Ultimately it comes down to them recognising they
are an addict and them wanting to change, that's
the catalyst, but they also need a lot of support in
order to do so (psychiatric/substance abuse facility)
and then after patient care. Such a wicked disease
 
Buttface said:
Yep, and you wanna deliver that into your body by smoking cigarettes?
The arsenic in cigs is there bcoz of the insecticide used when farming baccy.
Or are these users (scholars, poets, etc) of nicotine delivering it in a different/healthier way?
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Yep, they're definitely administering nicotine in better ways, powder, tabs, dosed capsules.

Cigarettes are gross on every level.
 
BZN said:
Thanks for your thoughts Kelce68.
I passed a small amount of blood doing a wee on one occasion so pretty much went to my Dr. straight away.
The cancer was very minor and hadn't spread as they got to it very early.
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Great news mate.
 
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Kelce68 said:
Yep, they're definitely administering nicotine in better ways, powder, tabs, dosed capsules.

Cigarettes are gross on every level.
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One legal addiction that hasn’t been discussed yet is gambling. I just seen another ad telling me to gamble responsibly. Don’t not gamble, just do it responsibly bcoz the gov told us we had to show some care.
It’s hard enough for kids without gambling houses sponsoring everything and get every second ad on tv to ensure the next generation of gamblers to tax.
Oh but you can’t play poker online for money. Again bcoz they couldn’t regulate and tax it. I gave up work for a spell to concentrate on my poker and played online to make an income bcoz there weren’t enough safe poker houses to clean up at. It was hard for them to know how much I won, or lost more importantly. But had they been smarter or cared more they could have used ip address like the sites do for cheating. I know two guys that were caught cheating together that way. Anyway I feel like a bet now so I’m going to the tab site to place a responsible wager.
 
BZN said:
I had a small cancerous growth removed from my bladder about 10 years ago which I would have thought may have been caused by grog, but my Dr. suggested 'smoking' is a cause of bladder cancer.
I stopped smoking about 25 years ago as well.
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had a mate and an uncle diagnosed with bladder cancer, both smoked. When my mate went to see the doctor, the first thing the doctor said was you have to stop smoking. Apparently pretty much all bladder cancer is smoking related.
 
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Buttface said:
One legal addiction that hasn’t been discussed yet is gambling. I just seen another ad telling me to gamble responsibly. Don’t not gamble, just do it responsibly bcoz the gov told us we had to show some care.
It’s hard enough for kids without gambling houses sponsoring everything and get every second ad on tv to ensure the next generation of gamblers to tax.
Oh but you can’t play poker online for money. Again bcoz they couldn’t regulate and tax it. I gave up work for a spell to concentrate on my poker and played online to make an income bcoz there weren’t enough safe poker houses to clean up at. It was hard for them to know how much I won, or lost more importantly. But had they been smarter or cared more they could have used ip address like the sites do for cheating. I know two guys that were caught cheating together that way. Anyway I feel like a bet now so I’m going to the tab site to place a responsible wager.
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I hate gambling ads. It’s literally a past time for so many young people now but bubblegum vapes are killing the kids! Ban them! And focus on Shaq reminding you to put on ya multi!
 
Mistymuzzle said:
On this planet, right here right now, pot is more dangerous to people under 25 than alcohol by a long way. Responsible for majority of youth schizophrenia and bpd. More than doubles the chances of schizophrenia or psychosis.

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Hmmm dunno bout that. Plenty of young fellas messing up their life every weekend under the influence of a jimmy and coke.

Both shit but saying pot is more dangerous to a certain age group seems disingenuous.
 
Mistymuzzle said:
On this planet, right here right now, pot is more dangerous to people under 25 than alcohol by a long way. Responsible for majority of youth schizophrenia and bpd.
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I smoked for 20 years before being diagnosed with schizophrenia. It might accelerate a diagnosis but it's for those who are predisposed to getting it regardless. If weed gave you schizophrenia there would be a lot more schizophrenics in the population 1% of the population have it.
 
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