Your team vs Bulldogs

Telltails said:
They have strike all over the park that we don't have. They have the ability to capitalize on their opportunities which we have demonstrated is a challenge for us.
If we continue in the same vain where it's all D with no reward mentally at some point the team will crack. They are on an upward trajectory and we are on a 4 game losing streak there is reason to be concerned.
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No they don't.

Their hooker is average. They don't have a halfback. Their front row stocks are light on and their forward pack, outside of Kikau is underwhelming.

What they do have is a strong backline. You're correct, they're taking their chances, we're not. That's an indication that we're creating chances. No matter who we're playing, if we continue that way, we won't win anything. That is a bug in this side, it doesn't define this side.

I stated that we are capable of taking care of them. Which we are. If we play poorly, we won't. It's a pretty straightforward stance.

What is there to be 'concerned' about? Not winning?

Four game losing streak? So what? Have they played the same opposition? Have they been without key members of their side recently? They've lost to the Sharks and Parramatta. Easily. We've beaten both. They've lost to the Rabbits (last) and beaten the Titans (worst side in the comp) and Roosters (who completed at 69%) and Newcastle (with a shot-duck Ponga).

Talk to me about comparing the two teams' records once they've played the two Grand Finalists back to back.

They're getting the wins to show their improvement, we're not.

As bad as we've been in attack, we were within a try of the Dolphins and a cruel bounce of the ball away from being 3 tries a piece versus the Dragons. Both games we were missing a piece of our spine, lost our VC and our form forward in Fainu. We then pushed the premiers away from home, despite some outrageous calls and were soundly beaten by what is probably the best side in the comp at the moment, who, despite the howls of them being a bit off, were unbelievable in defence.

I'm not saying we're better than them. I'm not saying we will win. I'm saying we are capable of handling them.

I'd say we will most likely win the forward battle again. I'd say we will create opportunities to score (our attack is getting a little better each week as the combinations slowly improve). If we take them, we're every chance.

They're in the same group of teams as us. They've just grabbed their opportunities and we glaringly haven't.

So, I'll reiterate; we have the personnel to win this game. Canterbury is a side we can beat.

But, like you said, if we don't start to take our opportunities, we won't. Forget the Dogs, we won't be beating anybody.

Good thing execution is a repetitions issue, not a talent one.
 
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4. Naden
5. Staines
6. Galvin
7. Sezer
8. Stef
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13. Matamua

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17. Pole
 
Lestronge said:
Kelce68 said:
Baffling.

We're going ok, with plenty to work on.

The Dogs are going ok, with plenty to work on.

This is a team in a similar boat to us. The recency bias that has people worried they'll pump us is more of an indictment of the degree to which they watch the 1% of the game.

The Tigers are more than capable of handling Canterbury.
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LOL so you think a team that has no halfback , and has had a pretty easy draw , is going to lap us more than the best team in the comp with thier best 2 players firing at the same time .
Jesus Christ you’re sooo negative ….
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They watch highlights. They’ve beaten the knights , titans and a depleted roosters . Let’s take it easy with the praise .
We will go fine . They have strike in that edge with Kikau . You shut Kikau down you shut down the dogs .
 
Kelce68 said:
No they don't.

Their hooker is average. They don't have a halfback. Their front row stocks are light on and their forward pack, outside of Kikau is underwhelming.

What they do have is a strong backline. You're correct, they're taking their chances, we're not. That's an indication that we're creating chances. No matter who we're playing, if we continue that way, we won't win anything. That is a bug in this side, it doesn't define this side.

I stated that we are capable of taking care of them. Which we are. If we play poorly, we won't. It's a pretty straightforward stance.

What is there to be 'concerned' about? Not winning?

Four game losing streak? So what? Have they played the same opposition? Have they been without key members of their side recently? They've lost to the Sharks and Parramatta. Easily. We've beaten both. They've lost to the Rabbits (last) and beaten the Titans (worst side in the comp) and Roosters (who completed at 69%) and Newcastle (with a shot-duck Ponga).

Talk to me about comparing the two teams' records once they've played the two Grand Finalists back to back.

They're getting the wins to show their improvement, we're not.

As bad as we've been in attack, we were within a try of the Dolphins and a cruel bounce of the ball away from being 3 tries a piece versus the Dragons. Both games we were missing a piece of our spine, lost our VC and our form forward in Fainu. We then pushed the premiers away from home, despite some outrageous calls and were soundly beaten by what is probably the best side in the comp at the moment, who, despite the howls of them being a bit off, were unbelievable in defence.

I'm not saying we're better than them. I'm not saying we will win. I'm saying we are capable of handling them.

I'd say we will most likely win the forward battle again. I'd say we will create opportunities to score (our attack is getting a little better each week as the combinations slowly improve). If we take them, we're every chance.

They're in the same group of teams as us. They've just grabbed their opportunities and we glaringly haven't.

So, I'll reiterate; we have the personnel to win this game. Canterbury is a side we can beat.

But, like you said, if we don't start to take our opportunities, we won't. Forget the Dogs, we won't be beating anybody.

Good thing execution is a repetitions issue, not a talent one.
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You can't beat anyone if you can't score points. Their capacity to score points given their strike power is an advantage they have over us and there is no evidence to show in our last 4 games that we have found a way to overcome the problem. You could argue that we played 4 teams that had great defensive structures that prevented us from scoring, but considering we were in a position to score on numerous occasions against all those teams and couldn't Id say the problem rests squarely with the squad and if we can't improve it by next week it is highly likely we will lose.
 
Telltails said:
They have strike all over the park that we don't have. They have the ability to capitalize on their opportunities which we have demonstrated is a challenge for us.
If we continue in the same vain where it's all D with no reward mentally at some point the team will crack. They are on an upward trajectory and we are on a 4 game losing streak there is reason to be concerned.
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Where’s the strike all over the park ? They have a centre and a back rower . Every body else is a huge “?”. As much as our team. Especially in the middle .
I think we need to chill with the wrist cutting . Most teams will lose to the broncos and panthers , for very different reasons , this year .
Wait until round 12 before we make any assessment .
 
Telltails said:
You can't beat anyone if you can't score points. Their capacity to score points given their strike power is an advantage they have over us and there is no evidence to show in our last 4 games that we have found a way to overcome the problem. You could argue that we played 4 teams that had great defensive structures that prevented us from scoring, but considering we were in a position to score on numerous occasions against all those teams and couldn't Id say the problem rests squarely with the squad and if we can't improve it by next week it is highly likely we will lose.
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I essentially said that very thing.

We've shown we can score points, just not in the last several weeks.

So, I'll reiterate, we are capable of beating them. Just as they are capable of beating us.

That is, if their middle can hold their own...
 
Lestronge said:
Where’s the strike all over the park ? They have a centre and a back rower . Every body else is a huge “?”. As much as our team. Especially in the middle .
I think we need to chill with the wrist cutting . Most teams will lose to the broncos and panthers , for very different reasons , this year .
Wait until round 12 before we make any assessment .
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Round 27.

Knights won 10-odd straight to end last year, Rabbits fell off a cliff.

The draw and form can do funny things.

I think the Bulldogs are a little ahead of us. Not in roster, just in execution. But that's about it.

It's close to a 50/50 game this weekend in my opinion.
 
Lestronge said:
Where’s the strike all over the park ? They have a centre and a back rower . Every body else is a huge “?”. As much as our team. Especially in the middle .
I think we need to chill with the wrist cutting . Most teams will lose to the broncos and panthers , for very different reasons , this year .
Wait until round 12 before we make any assessment .
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JAC is in stellar form as is Kikau. They have the arguably the best centre in the competition and Burtons bombs are as good as they get and have the capacity wreak havoc with Kikau's kick chase. Connor Tracey is proving to be a great link man and Burton can finish off any backline move with his running game
No wrist cutting but if we are going to win we need to find a way to convert our opportunities because they have the players that are more than capable of converting theirs.
 
Kelce68 said:
I essentially said that very thing.

We've shown we can score points, just not in the last several weeks.

So, I'll reiterate, we are capable of beating them. Just as they are capable of beating us.

That is, if their middle can hold their own...
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I more worried about our edge and out wide capabilities than our middle.
If you look at the stats we have been ok but we just don’t finish and always look “clunky” in the backs.
When is that going to end ?
 
I don't understand what's happened to our attack. We put 32 points on Cronulla who have only lost the one game and have the best defence to date. They have only had 68 points scored against them in the 6 other games. So what did we do in that game that we are not doing now.
 
Kelce68 said:
Baffling.

We're going ok, with plenty to work on.

The Dogs are going ok, with plenty to work on.

This is a team in a similar boat to us. The recency bias that has people worried they'll pump us is more of an indictment of the degree to which they watch the 1% of the game.

The Tigers are more than capable of handling Canterbury.
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If we play to our best which hasn't happened for quite some time
 
Telltails said:
JAC is in stellar form as is Kikau. They have the arguably the best centre in the competition and Burtons bombs are as good as they get and have the capacity wreak havoc with Kikau's kick chase. Connor Tracey is proving to be a great link man and Burton can finish off any backline move with his running game
No wrist cutting but if we are going to win we need to find a way to convert our opportunities because they have the players that are more than capable of converting theirs.
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Thats hardly all over the park though it’s one edge . The other edge is meh , and thier middles are the worst in the comp .
Just chill my guy !
 
Is Alaimalo right to play this week, i didnt see what happened with Staggs but i believe he was taken off with a HIA right near the end
 
Lestronge said:
Thats hardly all over the park though it’s one edge . The other edge is meh , and thier middles are the worst in the comp .
Just chill my guy !
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They only have to dominate on one edge to make life difficult just like St George did to us with Hunt bombing for Lomax.
Opens up space for the rest of the team to attack on the back of a good kick chase and or forcing errors. If we don't diffuse Burtons kicking game nullifying Kikau, Crichton and JAC we will be in a whole world of pain.
Their forwards are serviceable and all they have to do is get some decent field position for their attack to capitalize - and they are more than capable of scoring length of field tries on the back of their speed.
I will be very surprised if they are not clear favourites.
 
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